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Thanks Rob for your contribution. much appreciated....you are correct... (i'm a reaps user from v0.99 and done a ton of songs useing it plus rb/bb combo cos each has their own plusses and minuses.)... rb has in fact unique features i havent seen in any other music app includeing reaps. to other rb users feel free to post your own tips… because as rb is so choc full of features i'm sure i'm gonna forget lots of things. 5..a recap. if you want a 'modern song' you must use modern sounds… RB HAS ZILCH TO DO WITH IT !!. Modern sounds can be found in many sources. viz… …pg content which is massive. including a ton of modern sounds. and which you can bend/shape/mangle/pitch shift anyway you want….ive done this many times. …useing plugins with modern sounds driven by midi tracks. …useing sample libraries both free and paid. …recording tracks using external hardware. etc etc…to name a few. Think of it like an easter egg hunt….in your mind you have a vision for your song. thus begins the hunt for the sounds to realise your vision. rb (or bb) have nothing to do with it. it is up to YOU to locate or record the sounds to realise your vision. bottom line is if i or you can't lay down the sounds to realise your song vision…it's not the music apps fault. … I fail many times… it's all part of the creating songs gig…but it's not the app's fault if i fail. I've seen it many many times on these forums… 'I want a xxx '...xxx being a genre or big name artist or group for example. pg software isnt stopping you…you can even create your own styles or modify a style. there's nothing to stop you using various tools to analyse a style or genre you're into… and then get cracking replicating that style using pg tools/pg content/third party content. frankly i could do hundreds of 'modern songs' using just SM, sfz. pg's huge sound content and free samples say from cm mag. ie…spoilt for choice. talking of sforzando that comes free from pg…let me admit my own stupidity in not realising something nice with sfz. (in my defence…lol…i'm no synth expert.).... When I started checking out sfz i was demoing modern sounds by clicking at top left. THEN one day i said to myself 'hmm what does snapshot do' when sforzando first displayed with the timewarp logo…so i clicked on snapshot and lo and behold a menu appeared and various sub menus/settings i could use for 'modern sounds'. In summary, really explore sforzando deeply and its timewarp feature including all the various synth oscillators and other settings ... .like synthmaster it's rather amazing for modern sounds. Let's crack on… lots of things to cover. 6…i want to do a modern song in the style of 'abc famous artist' or 'xyz song.' i dont condone ripping off anyone. but a truism is various oldie hit songs might have been influenced by and have their roots in music genres of yore…ie…decades or even centuries ago. . So let's say a certain modern song or style gets you 'cranked up'..there are many techniques to analyse such…even as a music study/learning exercise. eg… ..sometimes there is info on the net. ..you can use analysis software which will report such things as tempo and chords etc etc. eg in pg products check out the audio chord analysis feature ACW. (see pg vids to save me lots of typing ... .NOTE rb supports 'fractional tempos'.) maybe you have, like i do…lots of rough song demos from years back done in studios…and you want to create a new pro modern song vibe for such. nothing to stop you doing that in rb. For example, just import your old demo into rb and apply the ACW. I did this the other day with an old demo of mine for fun. even though i knew the chords to my old demo…i saved lots of typing by letting the RB ACW detect the chords and only had just a few chord changes to make on the genned chord sheet. (note…dont expect song analysis software to do a perfect job. some effort will be needed on your part.) After getting the rb chord sheet i decided to start checking out the tons of rb stylepicker midi styles..and demoing the styles WITH MY CHORD SHEET in rb viz my song. If I came across a style that cranked me up I would save the style in my folder for the song. (I urge you to have separate song folders for each song you're working on.) let me say at this stage in song development in rb…i like to work fast…so i find working with midi tracks lets me do that. (Later on I will experiment with modern sounds in other pg content like rt's//rd's//supertracks etc etc.). Now some people might enter in the rb stylepicker…'modern sounds' or whatever. i dont do that…because from experience i find i miss lots of cool pg content. (unless it's just a quickie demo to see how well my vocals/lyrics work.) If I want a serious song result I put in serious work. just mucking around yesterday in rb stylepicker…i found a mind boggling amount of modern pg sounds i could use or dice/slice/change etc etc to make my new version of the old demo i did years ago sound great. in addition i found that just using sforzando and synthmaster plugins I was overloaded with ideas for the new song version. the problem ive found with having oodles of plugins there are so many sound 'eggs or nuggets'...one never finishes a song. So I limit myself…make sense ? more to come. happiness. om

Many thanks David, this one took took much effort to arrange. Glad you liked it.

I hate being misinterpreted on forum responses. *IIRC*....this topic goes back years and all I recall is some work-around being suggested by the BIAB team. So no, it's not a 'minor annoyance'....it's a determining one for many and I get that. I just didn't phrase my response with proper empathy. I"m old! We have some great forums here and I try to avoid creating any negative drama. Thanks for coming back Mario.

Thanx Noel. The beauty of instrumental music is that there are no words to guide you, thus you are free to interpret the song anyway you wish. I'm glad you had a wonderful journey and enjoyed my song.

Mario, I appreciate that. Thanks. Bob

Mornin' Dewey & B. D..... The ZZ Top vibe didn't occur to me but I hear it now. Thank you both for taking the time to listen and kind words. It's much appreciated. "This song writing stuff isn't easy" Thanks again an have a great day.

Can't believe I haven't jumped in here before. I love this song --Heck, you know that, Dave, but I wanna go on record. hehe Thanks to all who've listened and commented here and on YT. Before I leave I have to quote one of the guys I quote most often, David Cuny. Towit: Cool blues that comes with instructions (and name dropping)!

Magic! Interesting changes and fantastic production. NineZero fits flawlessly, and it sounds like he could Gilbert & Sullivan too. I hear your pushes. BiaB could impove in that area, but you made it perfect. Much enjoyed the groove. Spendid results from a determined creator. Well crafted, Janne.

Thanks, Bob. Will do. Thank you for saying it again, Steve.

Man, this is so good! There is just something about Janice's voice that makes me smile every time I hear it, you can hear the joy in it. Floyd sounds great on the harmonies of course, the two voices blend so well. And Peter always plays the perfect part. Read your comment about using reference tracks with Ozone, Bud, that's on my list of things to try. Maybe our next song Excellent track!

A band I've never heard of previously: Low Darts College. Worth a listen. The drumming especially is outstanding, but there's no weak links, anywhere.

G'day, Ray. Thanks for visiting. It's always good to see you. I appreciate that you had time to have a listen and comment. Best regards, --Noel

Hi Laurent. Wow!!! This is spectacular. You've done a great job with Natalie and Kevin. Moreover, the composition and its arrangement are sublime. You have taken BIAB places that are way outside my imagination, and you have done a superb job. In every way, this music glistens with all the competence of an expert musician. I loved listening, and I loved how it all sat so comfortably on my ears. All the best, --Noel P.S. Now I'm going back to watch the video!

Hi Donny. This is sitting very comfortably on my ears as I listen. The style works so well with your performance. It's like the two are made for one another. I found this very relaxing and very satisfying music. --Noel

Hi Mike. Wow! Music doesn't get more enthusiastic or toe-tapping than this. I love your choice of Realtracks! It's a great ensemble that you've created. The bass was a standout to me. I have never tried that bass ever, and you've really got me interested in it's possibilities! Thanks for sharing you creation. It was an excellent musical journey --Noel

Hi James. What a cool and inventive idea to use a resonator guitar as if it were a cat's vocals. Your creativity always amazes me. It worked for me. I loved it As I listened, I was reminded of a piece of classical music written in the 1800s by Gioachino Rossini call the "Duetto buffo di due gatti" (The Cat Duet). If you haven't seen this duet, I encourage you to watch it. It's a very entertaining way to use music to create some humour. Listening to your work, I realised that it would be possible to do recreate "The Cat Duet" with BIAB, some MIDI, Synth V vocaloids and some clever editing in a DAW. One of your musical signatures is that you like to push boundaries, and write and arrange fearlessly. I always admire and applaud that. All the very best, --Noel

Dewey, THANKS for the listen! THANK YOU, Gayle! Glad the drums worked for you. Honestly, I can't hear the song without them at this point.

and where's PG ?

Where's PG with iPad Biab ????? Maybe I didn't mention JUCE, maybe that is the problem, otherwise they would have a Win,Lin,Mac, iOS and Android already: JUCE is a cross platform framework allowing a single codebase to compile to native applications and plug-ins with the same user experience on Windows, macOS, Linux, iOS and Android, across both desktop and mobile. Native applications can be launched in the iOS and Android device simulators to simplify testing and debugging, and can be packaged up for distribution within the mobile app stores.

This is the first time I've been here for a while and for me the reason is that BIAB is working fine and does what I want, which is to audition songs in different styles. It's an extremely useful tool in that regard. I also use it to generate the basic framework for many of my recordings, although I generally replace most of the tracks with my own performances later. It's a great time saver. I suppose the lack of posts in the forum probably does indicate that there aren't many new users, as new users would be bound to have lots of questions. The major change I would suggest is the PG Music should consider making the Audiophile version a bit cheaper - they'd probably sell a lot more if that version was a bit cheaper. As it is it's a huge jump from the price of the regular version to the price of the Audiophile version.

You've got enough followers that will pay any price for the product, to "upgrade" the same program to a different platform, etc. and you figure you have earned it with all of the code you've written. Maybe. But charge AFTER you work out all of the numerous flaws. Also have a loyalty program for customers that have been with you for more than 30 years... It's kind of like a Senior benefit for Senior patrons who have supported and done a lot of word-of-mouth advertising over the DECADES. It all evens out. Believe me.

Thanks, again, everyone! You've all been a big help!

I need to add to this, because my assessment of what is happening is inaccurate. In BiaB, when I change a single bar to 2/4 and the following bar to 4/4, the score gets adjusted correctly, but the chords do not. The second half of the bar that is now 2/4 is now disabled, and the chord change that was set at beat 3 in that bar sits there disabled. That chord change needs to be pushed to the next bar along with the score. Why does it push the score along but not the chords? The question is how to push the chords. If I try to copy from the disabled half of the bar I've made into 2/4 through to the end of the song, and paste into the start of the next bar, it copies from the start of the 2/4 bar, which achieves nothing. I don't see a way.

I'm glad you finished the song! Such a beautiful melody. Synth voices sound good, but I miss hearing your voice. Excellent work on the instruments you played. You are a great talent!

I love this song. Great cover/instrumentation and synth voice. She nails the wail. I've been wanting to do a cover of this, but I just haven't found the time yet.