Band in a Box is a great music production software, for seniors. I have never seen any young musicians on YouTube ever using, or even talking about BiaB.
Just being curious, is BiaB a software suitable for users at the age of 40 and under?
Anyone knows who the dude is in the 2023 Boot Camp videos on YouTube? PG Music should really hire this dude to make more Boot Camp videos in the future, to attract the younger generations.
What makes Boot Camp videos more value-adding than other videos on YouTube? Humanization. In stead of a man or a woman reading the user manual and bore audience to death, the Boot Camp videos use real life examples/senarios to teach how to make real music with relevant and useful features, and ignore useless and redundant features.
Anyway, I hope in the future, more and more young people would become passionate and enthusiastic with Band in a Box, just as they do now with Toontrack, Native Instruments, Image-Line, iZoptope, Ujam, and many other big names.
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Some of the people who purchased it tell me they love and asked me to do more. But I guess just not enough younger people know about BiaB.
And that's a pity, because BiaB is a good tool to create that kind of music. A user can make his/her own grooves without having to sample other people's recordings, and thus avoid paying copyright royalties.
Interesting topic, especially because it relates to the future development of Biab. I think I am a bit ambivalent on this one.
On the one hand, I feel that Biab can be seen as a vehicle to promote and "defend" traditional styles of music that are clearly losing out, among the younger generations, to the new electronic/loop-based/no-melody kinds of music (I dont even know how to define these "genres", I'm too old I guess, but I hope you know what I mean). Nothing against these, the world evolves and I'm fine with that, actually. But I do worry that when new things come out, older things are too quickly forgotten or dismissed by the younger. So, in this view, I welcome the idea that BIAB still stubbornly sticks with jazz, folk, country, rock etc. Love it. And, even more so, I absolutely love BIAB as something that represents and spreads the idea that music is ACTUALLY played by real people (with Real Tracks), human beings with musical skills and taste, and it's not just the assembly of loops made on a laptop by someone in a bedroom with no music knowledge or taste whatsoever. So, there's that. Long live BIAB in its current form, for these reasons. On the other hand ...
... on the other hand, though, I do see the limitations. I'd certainly love to see BIAB grow significantly beyond its niche, and acquire more customers, and more musical diversity, and attract younger people. And that's because growth means more resources, more and better capabilities, better software, more inspiration, more possibilities to innovate through cross-fertilization of very different genres etc etc etc. And, in order to do that, I guess BIAB should try to incorporate features that are attractive to the younger generations, but without "losing its soul", so to speak. And by "features" I'm not just talking about more modern genres for its styles and tracks, but also (maybe) better integration with loop-based music production styles and philosophy, more modern interface etc etc. Easier said than done, I know.
As I said, I'm ambivalent. I don't know what to wish. I'm sure that at PG Music they have a clear strategic vision about this issue. Personally, I like BIAB because every year it gives me more of the same kind of musical stuff that I truly love. I'm the perfect target customer, I guess. But "more of the same" is a very risky strategy in the long term.
Yes, it's the very thing that will keep all the styles of music alive. If the software is modern it will attract younger users, this way they can be introduced to other styles.
Perhaps PGM would do well to make a major update to their UI; it really does look like refugee from 1994.
Originally Posted By: Jon Thomas
...not just the assembly of loops made on a laptop by someone in a bedroom with no music knowledge or taste whatsoever....
I'm going to have to defend loop based music creation here. Even though I have no use for loops myself, I understand that it can be done well and that it actually does take some talent and discernment to do so.
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I find one of the unique qualities of Band-in-a-Box is it allows me to explore the many audio sources used in production.
Band-in-a-Box works with user recorded audio, MIDI, virtual instruments, audio loops and insert effects in addition to PG Music's RealTracks. It doesn't care about the audio source which allows me to concentrate on the song structure.
Tom Cruise, Top Gun Maverick, the theme song is "Hold My Hand", by LadyGaga.
It's a traditional four chords rock song, with a tiny bit of EDM elements blended into heavily distorted guitar.
Guess what? Huge success! Both young people and old people love this song. There are hundreds of people doing covers on YouTube.
On the other hand, BiaB is alienating young generation, not because of the genres, but due to it's Windows XP era interface.
There are over 300 commands in BiaB, but only less than 30 of them are truly useful. The remaining 270 are just there to intimidate and confuse the users.
For example, in the Melodiest dialogue box: "Change Song Chords" option, "Change Song Style" option, are you kidding me? I want you to help me generate a melody to fit my song, but you put these options there to screw my song. Why you hate me so much?
HIDE THESE GOD AWEFUL USELESS COMMANDS & OPTIONS, SO ONLY THE USEFUL ONES CAN BE SEEN!!!
A Canadian music producer, singer songwriter, composer, and professional guitarist.
For example, in the Melodiest dialogue box: "Change Song Chords" option, "Change Song Style" option, are you kidding me? I want you to help me generate a melody to fit my song, but you put these options there to screw my song. Why you hate me so much?
Good point, but bad example. Those two obtions are necessary to identify a melody which fits your chords, even if you don't have chords. I do admit that the process will be iterative as you try to figure the logic, but it is logical once you get it done. Like much of BIAB. I just spent a moring on a project to identify a melody, and I think I got some good stuff...
I think the BBPlugin/BBPlugin Standalone is where the focus needs to be for new younger users. This way you can get away from the old Delphi code limitations and bloat.
I'm going to have to defend loop based music creation here. Even though I have no use for loops myself, I understand that it can be done well and that it actually does take some talent and discernment to do so.
Just a quick clarification. I agree with Byron. Any kind of music may involve talent and discernment (or the opposite), including loop-based music. That was not my point. My point is: - younger generations use loop-based production a lot. Not my thing, not my taste, but that's irrelevant. However, should BIAB accomodate loop-based production in a better, more straightforward, modern way, in order to attract the young a bit more? (and yes, @JimFogle I know it's already possible, and I know that with BIAB you can use any source, including loops, but the implementation is clearly way too convoluted and clearly not at the center of the focus of BIAB's operations and interface. Can you imagine a 18 years old choosing BIAB to create looped-based songs? There are far better alternatives, "better" from the 18 years old point of view). That is the question I was wondering about. And I dont have an answer, obviously. - the idea of integrating BIAB's core strenghts (real tracks, chord based production, "traditional" genres etc etc) with more loop-friendly / young-friendly operations and interface, might help introducing the "loop-only" younger generation to BIAB and, more importantly, to traditional styles, genres, ways of music production. That would be a good thing, in my opinion. Not for me, but generally a good thing. Nothing against loops, per se. In fact, I also use them (although quite rarely).
nobody is going to create decent contemporary EDM songs using BIAB.
Programs like Reason and Ableton are popular for modern pop and dance genres for a reason, with their huge sample libraries, loops, built-in library of cutting-edge synths, and effects, powerful routing and automation and fast efficient workflow.
BIAB is not the right tool for the job. Stuff like hip-hop, trap are not even chord based.
Still love BIAB though, but it's best suited for generic sounding jazz, pop, blues & country imho. As long as young people enjoy playing those genres, then I'm sure there will be new adopters and BIAB has a bright future.
As we discussed in another thread, the GUI and workflow will be a turn off, for people coming from other well-established DAWs.
i see where your coming from, and this has been discussed before re EDM/modern genres etc. but my question is do people really explore biab and realband (rb) properly ? cos in recent years more 'modern' styles have been added.
the reason i mention this is there are more than a few styles that could be used or adapted for edm etc.
ive just finished a 'kinda rap' song useing a biab style. i'll post it in the showcase so people can tell me if i'm out to lunch or not.
lets not forget rb has 48 traks one can anything with. ive even done special effects with it. in rb you can do a slew of stuff. depends how one approaches the task at hand.
your correct some other products have lots of big sample libs...but there are nearly free/free sample libs out there and loads of virtual instruments...
eg computer music mag from the uk which offers something like 80 free plug ins n' vi's//synths etc etc. (just explore it on you tube sometime. some very impressive stuff in cm's vault.)
one problem ive found if i'm confronted with huge sample libs//vi's is i have sooo many sample options..it takes up ages to come to a decision as to which ones to use in a song. thus 'paralysis by analysis' often occurs. thus i limit my choices to the pg styles//sound creation tools and augmented by cm mag sounds.
but maybe i'm useless at modern genres (as at my core i'm a rocker ). but we will see when i load up the song on in showcase...and get egg on my face...lol. its an experimental song cos so many people say biab cant do modern stuff.
in conclusion all i'm saying is the tools are there in pg products to do anything one wishes. its just how one chooses to use them. the key is to delve deeply.
I think the BBPlugin/BBPlugin Standalone is where the focus needs to be for new younger users. This way you can get away from the old Delphi code limitations and bloat.
+1
Perhaps for ALL users. I wish it worked better in the Mac World with Logic Pro. I'd love to be able to use it reliably in my workflow.
I've written some EDM styles and you can make them repeat and repeat just like a recorded loop. Then you can use the B section as a variation of that loop. With Multi styles, you can get a couple more variations, if you want.
What could be easier. Enter your chord, or few chords, choose an EDM style, and set the repeat function. And you're done.
But since my EDM style disk is not one of my top-selling disks, even though some who have bought it tell me it's great, I guess there aren't many EDM creators using BiaB.
Let's not forget, RealTracks ARE audio loops. BIAB is perfectly capable of making contemporary music. This is after all making music with computers. As with any musical instrument, the musician is more important than the tool. Here is an example done some time ago demonstrating the versatility of a BIAB style using both midi and RealTrack Loops:
perhaps you might post the link to your song in the showcase with maybe a title like 'example of edm using biab' ? then if the edm topic comes up again the rest of us can point to your example ?
> For example, in the Melodiest dialogue box: "Change Song Chords" option, "Change Song Style" option, are you kidding me? I want you to help me generate a melody to fit my song, but you put these options there to screw my song. Why you hate me so much? HIDE THESE GOD AWEFUL USELESS COMMANDS & OPTIONS, SO ONLY THE USEFUL ONES CAN BE SEEN!!!
Music Villain,
Band-in-a-Box doesn’t take a “one-size-fits-all” approach.
For example, the Melodist can 1. create a melody to your existing chords, 2. Or also create both chords and melody. A simple checkbox determines if you get option 1 or 2.
So you only want the option 1, and find it upsetting that we even have option 2 available, by your comment above.
Problem is many people like option 2, and use it to create entire songs, with chord and Melodies (royalty free). They’ve sent us examples which have been used as background music in many situations, including background to a CNN segment, children’s TV show or a background music YouTube video. I just heard one the other day where a famous comedian uses melodist generated pieces as background for his voice overs introducing old clips of his.
If we did as you’ve asked, and removed the option to generate both chords and melodies, people would complain. So we don’t plan to do that.
> Let's not forget, RealTracks ARE audio loops. BIAB is perfectly capable of making contemporary music. This is after all making music with computers. As with any musical instrument, the musician is more important than the tool. < well done with your song mate.
Yes, well done and thanks for the post. I’ve started a new thread here, as others might be interested in the range of contemporary music that can be generated with BiaB.
just to clear something up, edm music is not created just by repeating loops. it consists of build ups, drops, incredible sound design, intricate automation of synthesizer and effects parameters and manipulation of samples such as time-stretching and chopping.
don't underestimate the genre and think that producers are just looping a sample, this is some of the most complex music to create and you need the right tools.
i've heard attempts to make modern dance music with BIAB and they sound quite laughable, similar to how arranger keyboards sound when trying to do edm, house, hip-hop, dubstep, trap etc.
i've heard attempts to make modern dance music with BIAB and they sound quite laughable, similar to how arranger keyboards sound when trying to do edm, house, hip-hop, dubstep, trap etc.
I wonder though, how much of that relates to BiaB itself and how much relates to someone expecting BiaB to do the whole job.
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Konaboy, The muscle of the BIAB is Acoustic and Electric (don't confuse with electronic) instruments, played by real musicians. It is not designed specifically for production of synth based EDM music, but made a very good progress where you can use these (acoustic & electric) RTs / Midi content with other, less represented genres (such as EDM) in your composition with introduction of Chord Track(s) and other tools like partial regeneration, where you can get real played phrases pretty tight to adhere to your ideas.
Every schoolboy and schoolgirl can make a "beat" on their phone. But what software can add real acoustic & electric instruments to their "composition" that will actually follow their ideas, not push the key these loops/phrases were written in? There are only a couple of titles that I know of and overall they are miles away from BIAB in that respect.
Many users utilize BIAB to generate a specific track(s) (guitar, sax, piano, etc), but do their main work in DAW. BIAB is not a silver bullet for "all genres" but it has a very strong library of content in Pop/Rock/Jazz/Folk/Country genres.
Personally I feel that many synth/sample based software workstations such as Komplete, Halion, Falcon, Groove Agent and whole bunch of others have in a way similar content. BIAB is very different and I like that contrast. It's great to have different choices.
but having been offered inside looks on occasion at the music biz over the years i would suggest many (not all) superb productions resulted from a 'team effort' ie..a team of production people behind the artist.
yes a lone artist can produce a superb result, but it often requires a huge amount of work and many many hours of effort. its very demanding on a lone artist with no pro help/assistance.
re 'laughable'. i see where your coming from but i would respectfully suggest that a team of 'pros' useing biab would probably show a superb edm result with biab/rb. remembering that there is nothing to stop people useing sophisticated vl's//plug ins. my argument being that if biab/rb were the only tools available on the market...a team of 'pros' will produce that superb edm genre or trap or whatever result.
i just do nutty songs for enjoyment...and have no illusions of my limitations. but imho its all how the artist(s) use a tool. if you gave me a blank canvas i would produce a terrible painting cos i cant paint...but in the right hands the same brushes and pallate would produce a major masterpiece.
To do modern stuff Biab need to be easy to drag n drop samples/loops into the track anywhere and be able to set the key/chord tempo and set it to repeat for so many bars all non destructively the Loop dialog is so old and limited. Else you need to sync Biab to FL Studio or Reaper:
just to clear something up, edm music is not created just by repeating loops. it consists of build ups, drops, incredible sound design, intricate automation of synthesizer and effects parameters and manipulation of samples such as time-stretching and chopping.<...snip...>.
And this is something BiaB can do. Especially if coupled with RealBand or a sequencer/DAW.
I also think that any composition of any style of music can be made better after exporting it to a sequencer or DAW and tinkering with it a bit.
One question I've had in this discussion is : If the young musicians are not on this forum and using BiaB, where are they hanging out? What forum that allows them to describe, post and share music are they using?
I'd like to see examples of what they produce even if it's rap or loops (which is not my thing). I'm interested in observing how they operate.
Think I could pass for one?
For sure, fam! Picture this: I’m in my cozy bedroom studio, surrounded by neon lights and vintage synths. My vibe is on point, and I’m cookin’ up beats like a boss. I hit that MPC pad, and the bassline drops—straight fuego! My laptop screen’s lit with Ableton Live, and I’m tweakin’ those knobs like a mad scientist. The melody hits, and I’m in the zone, lost in the sauce. It’s all about those lush chords, crispy hi-hats, and that 808 kick punchin’ through. I layer vocals, add some autotune swag, and boom—my track’s fire emoji! The speakers blast, and I’m vibin’ hard. Music’s my flex man. Trap, lo-fi, or chillwave, I’m here to create the magic. And when that drop hits, there's nothin like it. So, yeah, making music—it’s my whole mood, ya feel me?
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First on the list - kill RB (sorry old guys). Most new users are MAC people. They don’t care about RealBand
Logic, Reaper, Abelton, Pro tools- the environments serious music software needs live in.
Quit trying to sell a DAW. If it works so well with BIAB make those features work in the plug in for mainstream DAW’s.
IMO BIAB’s growth future is as a plugin to the above environments.
Don’t rebuild the standalone UI. That’ll take million$. Instead Phase it out by attrition. As suggested by others. Fix the broken stuff, simplify(not rebuild) the UI.
Spend dollars on the future, not the past. Real Tracks, Super MIDI, Styles . Those things are what makes BIAB great.
Most computer users use a phone most of the time. DAW’s are available for tablets now. Don’t miss the coming convergence of software to the mobile OS platforms. Not sure what the stratedgerie to do this is, but recognize in a few years phones will have all the cpu/gpu/ram they need to run this stuff.
1...irrespective of age or music genre whether a complex song arrangement or loops ...songs are work...lots of dedication and work. but maybe im wrong once ai gets further in development. old yorkshire saying is 'cream and junk flows to the top'. eg the music biz...thus sadly lots of very talented people never are recognised...there being so many new songs issued each year. 2...last time i looked still win has over 70 percent market share. haveing said that i dont want people to think im ultra pro win. but i invite anyone.here to go on gearspace.com where thousands of studios large and small hang out...and start a thread 'why does anyone here use win over other OSs and watch the fur fly...lol. ive even seen many comments from peop!e who moved back to win or one or more reasons....start a thread on GS once sgain... ' why did you move back to win'...and watch the fur fly again...lol. from my hopefully unbiased opinon i feel one key aspect of why win still has a big. market share is developers of music apps/products have got used to win quirks i suspect...also to be fair there have been improvements made to win OS i suspect because some people working on the win os have studios themselves from what ive heard. 3...as to rb and its detractors all i can say is i often wonder how much some people have delved into it....as a reaper user i find rb highly usefull. imho i dont think it will go away...but features slowly added over time whereas i would like to see a more aggressive development strategy taken with it. just the new comping feature has helped somewhat for me. finally let me say in an attempt to be unbiased i tried another popular daw recently and soon realised i would loose various rb features...imho with a few added upgrades..if done right...rb could be the cream at the top of the daw milk bottle. 4...im not a fan of the plugin strategy based on my history of working in industry trying to interface one companies systems to systems controlled by third parties which we had no control over. from a user perspective it all seems an easy task 'i want pg plugin to interface with my fav daw '... but the devils in the details....i invite anyone to take c++ programming courses and try it yourself...THEN youll have a new found respect for what pg are trying to do to keep its users who want such happy...particularly as bb is unique in the world of music apps. as i said...not trivial particularly as the host daw might change at any point. 5..re edm/rap/trap etc etc one criticism i have of pg is i think a few vids would be very usefull in attracting young users...and show them the power of ptpro/rb/bb. years back i used ptpro to do some rap songs for some young clients who were amazed. im a rocker at heart ...but i keep an open mind re other genres. imho pg provides all the tools to enable one to do any genre one wants. particularly as there is sooo much content including synths and everything else under the sun.
please don't kill RB. its an essential part of my work flow. trying to turn BIAB into a DAW is the reason it's so complicated (sorry Jim and Charlie Fogle!) anyone with basic computer skills - cut/paste etc - can work RB after a little playing around and as I've said before BIAB and RB together do everything I want.
why do we think young musicians want Mac only programs? maybe if you are a Mac user you automatically get a reduced choice of programs so you steer clear of BIAB.
if the 'future' of BIAB is the plugin can we at least take into account the oldies like me who want the current BIAB/RB partnership to remain in place?
I upgrade every year but I don't really need new features - i just like the new RTs. those of us that use BIAB/RB to create backing tracks liek the mssicians chosen to record RTs. which musicians do 'young people' like?
Bearing in mind that Beyonce has gone country and Taylor Swift is breaking all sales records could BIAB create reasonable versions of their current recordings? I haven't tried but if the answer is yes then the music 'young people' like can be created with BIAB/RB. maybe they just don't know.............
over the years whenever ive shown a new young budding songwriter or a group what bb/rb can do… the result is every time, and i mean every time…total excitement when they realise they can to quote them..'you mean i can create songs with top session musicians who have even played on hit songs ? wow.'. …irrespective of their music genre. thus i conclude lots of the new generations of song creators just arent aware of the potential with pg products.
I personally have done songs I think in nearly every music genre. except bluegrass..so i decided to stretch myself and challenge myself recently with the bg genre even though at heart i'm a rocker. it was a fun project doing the Banker Man bg song in my sig…and thankfully ive had more than a few likes…which makes me happy.
Thus from the above I feel a way needs to be found to 'get the word out' to the new generations of aspiring songwriters ... .an old tried and true marketing being to get the products into schools and universities. maybe by pg doing road trips…which is what many tech firms do plus trade shows and publications and offering discounts to educational institutions etc etc.
whether mac or pc...each OS has its positives and negatives imho. a perusal of gearspace.com posts will show this as some users oscillate between both.
I think a lot of us existing users tend to take pg products for granted including me.
please don't kill RB. its an essential part of my work flow. trying to turn BIAB into a DAW is the reason it's so complicated (sorry Jim and Charlie Fogle!) anyone with basic computer skills - cut/paste etc - can work RB after a little playing around and as I've said before BIAB and RB together do everything I want. (snip) ............
Bob, I agree with you that trying to turn Band-in-a-Box into a DAW tends to complicate the program.
I don't use RealBand too often as I've found it easier to stay in Band-in-a-Box to arrange my song projects.
The future is the BB Plugin. I tried for years n years to make RealBand better but that was flogging a dead horse, there's no Mac version, and with Win Biab it's a saga spending 6 months programing it then another 6 months to program the same thing on Mac, this is a crazy thing to keep doing. You are only getting half the value you should be getting, you are paying for an extra 6 months that could be better served fixing bugs and adding new features. Would you rather how it is now or have it at the same time for all OS's and Mobiles? : Operating System Compatibility & Mobile devices JUCE is a cross platform framework allowing a single codebase to compile to native applications and plug-ins with the same user experience on Windows, macOS, Linux, iOS and Android, across both desktop and mobile. Native applications can be launched in the iOS and Android device simulators to simplify testing and debugging, and can be packaged up for distribution within the mobile app stores. [/quote]
The BB Plugin can be a Plugin for any DAW, a Plugin Standalone and a Live Arranger and be crossplatform so it's compiled as a Win, Lin or Mac version at the same time. Have I mentioned any of this before ?
Current way the Plugin works:
How the Plugin needs to works, self-contained crossplatform Plugin/Plugin Standalone:
Maybe another dead horse to flog? If they haven't got this right yet... I gave up on it a couple of versions ago.
BIAB has lots of warts but the RealTracks are mana from heaven! They are the reason I still send my money every December and plan to do so again this year.
"Maybe another dead horse to flog?" LOL I think you could be right ! the development is way too slooooooooooooooooooooooow, there is not much importance given to it, it's just a novelty thing. The only reason I keep trying is because of the RealTracks !
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